F-35 No Threat to China as J-20 in Service Soon to Defeat F-35


An F-35 with US marines logos at a US air show in 2014. Photograph: Kevin Griffin / Alamy/Alamy

An F-35 with US marines logos at a US air show in 2014. Photograph: Kevin Griffin / Alamy/Alamy

J-20 with new coating indicating commissioning soon. Photo from Global Times' report

J-20 with new coating indicating commissioning soon. Photo from Global Times’ report

Concerning US air force’s announcement on August 2 that F-35 has got “initial operational capability”, Global Times interviewed Chinese air force expert Fu Qianshao. Fu believes that there is great discount in F-35’s “initial operational capability” as the software for F-35’s fire control system has not been completed so that the weapons carried by F-35 including its gun cannot be used.

In fact, there is still a long way to go for F-35 to have initial operational capability as quite a lot of work of design and test flights has not been completed. Without sufficient test flights, the fighter jet’s true functions and performance are unknown and pilots have not obtained the experience to control it.

According to Mr. Fu, US air force has been forced to rush out the announcement on F-35’s initial combat capability due to Congress’ pressure as there has been too long a delay in completing the development of the stealth fighter jet.

Pentagon has been forced to carry out test flights of F-35s after they have been commissioned; therefore, even if the US deploys F-35s in Asia now, there can be no threat to China.

Mr. Fu says that, however, China has carried out years of test flight of its stealth fighter jet J-20 so that quite a few pilots have obtained experience in controlling the warplane.

When J-20 has been commissioned in the near future, China has already trained lots of J-20 pilots. As a result, J-20 will have initial operational capability soon after it has been commissioned. Whether in terms of quantity, quality or pilots’ familiarity with the fighter jets, Chinese air force is confident that its J-20 can deal with the threat of other country’s stealth fighters satisfactorily.

In its report titled “F-35 ready for service, says US air force, as Australia and Britain await delivery” on August 3, British media The Guardian quotes Dan Grazier, a fellow of the US-based Project On Government Oversight, as saying that the declaration of combat readiness was “nothing but a public relations stunt” and that it would not be possible to know if the F-35 jets were ready for combat until after initial operational testing.

However, so far no initial operational testing has been carried out. That was why Senator John McCain, the Republican chairman of the armed services committee, said, “The Senate Armed Services Committee will continue to exercise rigorous oversight of the Joint Strike Fighter program’s long-delayed system development and demonstration phase as well as the start of the operational test and evaluation phase (this blogger’s underline).”

It is quite exceptional for the US to commission a new warplane without operational test or evaluation.

Comment by Chan Kai Yee on Global Times and The Guardian’s reports. Summary translation of Global Times’ report in Chinese is provided here. The Guardian’s report can be viewed at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/03/f-35-ready-for-service-says-us-air-force-as-australia-and-britain-await-delivery.


12 Comments on “F-35 No Threat to China as J-20 in Service Soon to Defeat F-35”

  1. Foxhound says:

    Nowadays I think China will deploy soon a powerful new generation of jammers -electromagnetic, nuclear, and laser, etc- nullifying all advantages of US assets as F-22 Raptor, F-35, F-15, F-16 and F-18.
    The question is :
    Could US do the same against chinese -and russian- assets ? Indeed, yes.
    This situation will lead into dogfights for any air-air combats. US are fearing dogfights, because at first it is the end of US superiority, and the causalities will be high for all belligerents. At this step the advantage will be for China, and Russia.

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    • Fre Okin says:

      I think China will install a very powerful laser system using nuclear power build on one of the artificial islands. This will probably be on Mischief or Subi Reef. The beauty of this is it will be very strong and able to fry F22, F35’s flying from air bases in the Philippines. It have to be near enough so if US dare to bomb it, it will cause a Fukushima like nuclear meltdown, harming the Philippines more than anybody else. It also have to be near enough to improve the distance coverage of the laser beam to be effective to burn a hole into US jets. It could also be used against incoming Tomahawks fired from US subs hiding nearby. The best place is probably Scarborough Shoal to have a nuclear powered laser station. This laser can also be used to blind US satellites peeking on Chinese islands in the Spratlys.

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  2. Steve says:

    The US are deliriously in a state of shock and awe, realising that the Peoples Republic of China will soon commission and showcase the J-20, as the most advanced and sophisticated stealth fighter warplane on planet earth.

    From Initial Operational Capability (IOC) to combat readiness, it may even take the F-35 another ten years before commissioning due to computer glitches, design, performance, etc of the F-35. The F-35 is still unproven for its true functions and capability. By then, China would have released it’s latest VTOL Stealth fighter.

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    • Foxhound says:

      “It is quite exceptional for the US to commission a new warplane without operational test or evaluation”
      The effectiveness of the militaro-industrial complex’s lobby.

      To Steve
      “By then, China would have released it’s latest VTOL Stealth fighter.”

      China does not need neither J-20, nor J-31 to defeat the F-35 or F-22. China air force does have its very powerfull J-11, J-10 with its very sophisticated sensors like modern IRST. It is no use to mention J-11, and J-10’s air-air missiles.

      Moreover there were events occurred recently in the Middle East that completely upset the air to air combat and the balance of the world power. The US doctrine relying on stealth aircraft with its BVR are definitely outdated, and are useless. At first, this blog regularly mention new chinese and russian radars that easilty detect any stealth aircraftt, whatever its coating is. It is true, Radars and sensors quickly evolve meanwhile stealth coating evolves slowly.
      Moreover in the Middle East, Russian Air Force used powerful jammers that completly neutralize radars, and every air-air missiles. Nowadays there is revolution, the air-air misssiles are useless. An important event that occurred recently was not hyped, because it is a terrible defeat for the West.
      Hezbollah sent Drone -using Iranian, chinese, and north korean technology- that penetrated deep inside Israel, during at least few hours. Once IDF air defense detected the intruder, Israel used their powerfull new Patriots batteries in order to down the Drone. Several surface to air missiles were launched—> Unsuccessfull
      Israel sent its F-16, and probably its F-15 that launched several air-air missiles none reached their target. Worst, the missile once it was near the target, suddenly dived. Because of powerful jamming.
      Air-Air missiles—> Unsuccessfull too
      In fact we are witnessing at a big switch of the balance of power. At the expense of the West -uncommonly US-, and at the advantage of China, and Russia.
      More than never the best chinese assets are still the J-11, and the J-10

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      • Steve says:

        Appreciate your reply – Good Article.

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        • Foxhound says:

          I forgot to add some important things.
          There were two drones, one penetrated deeply inside the Israel terroritory during few hours, and the second patrolling above the Golan’s heights -at least 45 minutes(israel version), the reality is more than two hours-. The two were tracked but Israel as I said before failed to down these drones, despite shooting several missiles. Worst, they took precious and sensitivves images of israeli strategic assets, transferred them online directly to Hizbollah’s command centers, and came back quietly to their bases. These event took place recently, a few days ago -end of july 2016-. During these incidents Israel launched its state of the art air-air missiles -Python- equivalent to AIM-120 D AMRAAM, and Patriot batteries like those used in THAAD but failed to down the two drones, because of jamming.

          Above the syrian skies -since october 2015- Russia set up a bubble dettering US and NATO to listen, to see, and spy russian and syrian militaries activities, leaving US allies -terrorists organisations like DAECH, Nosra, Ahrar, the supposed moderated rebelles – without help. All NATO radars, and US heavy complex systems were unable to see what’s happened.
          Worst, after Russia set up quickly S-400 -actual backbone of chinese air defense-, Pantsir, Tunguska, SU-30, and SU-35, US declined to send more F-22’s missions, and postponed and finally suspended all Raptor’s missions, -send back them, only after agreements with RUAF-. They fear the dramatic impact of US’s images if Russia down an F-22.
          Notice that Russia manage to jam all Raptor’s radars and assets.
          Another incidend in the Baltic Sea where Russia managed to deactivate an AEGIS destroyer. As it was the case above the Black Sea.
          All these facts had great, and heavy strategic impacts, it means that US could not longer match with Russia, or China.

          For that reason a conflict between US and China is unlikely, if not impossible in a foreseeable future. After 2017, when China and Russia will build up their new hardware, US will no longer be a threat, neither for Russia, nor for China.
          Hence any computations about a war between US and China is a mere wasting time. Russian’s potential, as well as chinese’s potential are at least equal if not superior than US capacities presently. In a near future, chinese, and russian’s potentials will be definitely superior than US.

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          • Steve says:

            What do u think of the Sth Korea THAAD positioning against Nth Korea, but in reality a serious threat for China and Russia national security. A warning for a preemptive strike by China and take the opportunity to deploy drones reconnaissance.

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            • Foxhound says:

              “What do u think of the Sth Korea THAAD positioning against Nth Korea…”
              At first Iam not expert, after judging about the last conflicts that involved US hardware during the last decades, in general I could say, US for evident geopolitical reasons often overstated the success of their hardware. After scrutiny on the battlefield we used to realize that success are in the best case mitigate. In the best cases I say. Some of them are really worrying. These mitigate results concern Patriot, F-4 Phantom, F-105 Thunderchief, F-100, F-111 Aardvark, F-104 Startfighter, F-15 eagle, all range of US air-air misiles including AIM 120 C AMRAAM, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-18 Hornet, M1 Abrams, M-60 Patton, AH-64 Apache, B2, B-52, Vought F-8 Crusader, F-117, M-16 colt, BGM-109 Tomahawk and many others…

              THAAD dubious effectiveness.
              – Above Black Sea a russian SU-24 disabled the entire system of an AEGIS destroyer -that is considered the US state of the art naval hardware -, technology not far of the THAAD.
              – Recently above Barents Sea another russian aircraft jammed sucessfully an AEGIS.
              – Above the syrian sky, russian air force created a bubble that completly blinded all NATO’s hardware. It is not impossible that at several times SU-30 used to fly above turkish sky without being detecting.
              – As I mentionned above at least two drones violated israeli’s airpace, and western hardware failed to intercept them.
              – Moreover, the distance between the two extrem point of South Korea does not exceed 500 KM, North Korea has powerful modern artillery able to engage THAAD
              – Does the THAAD really effective against the modern North korean’s MIRV, and MARV ? I doubt.
              – North Korea has many types of cruise missiles able to attack and disable the THAAD
              – A think is certain, North Korea with the help of China are developping presently a powerful electromagnetic, laser, nuclear jammers that will be able to blind any electronic system.
              Finally North Korea has many solutions to circumvent the THAAD

              THAAD, political aims
              No one is fool, everyone understood that US presently cannot afford to confront neither Russian nor China. The THAAD was never other thing than a mere bluff. Everyone knows very well. The problem for US is to deter urgently Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia to join the chinese giga project of Silk Road. Because economic growth is in China and Russia, meanwhile the US economy is moribund. More than 100 millions of US citizens are registered in Food Stamps program, the US GDP is overstated at at least one third, hounded now by India. In this context US are seeing China as an existential threat.
              The solution for US is to provoke North Korea. that trigger a defensive reaction of Pyongyang. After that US could demonize North Korea. Meanwhile the provocation came from US. The US are the problem. Nevertheless I doubt if Japan, South Korea, Taiwan or Australia are convinced. All are expecting the next crash that will end the dollar as reference currency, after that the world will pursue another road.

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            • Foxhound says:

              Sorry about the THAAD I forgot to add an important element.

              In 2014 Israel triggered poweful agression against palestinians in Gaza. Israeli forces were sure that Iron Dome -a replica of THAAD- could immunize Israel against primitive palestinian rockets, and Trophy -that is a mere copy of russian’s ARENA- is another shield that could protect their tank Merkava against anti tank rockets, or missiles. What was the overcome ?

              As expected the Trophy did not protect the tanks Merkava, during one month of fights, Israeli ground forces penetrated only dozens of meters in Gaza-to compare with what’s happened in 2008 when israeli ground forces in few hours reached the downtown of Gaza city- and lost several tanks, several soldiers.

              Iron Dome:
              Contrary to what Israelis swaggered the Iron Dome -same technology as THAAD- intercepted as Israelis 30% of rockets, the reality, in the best cases if it intercepted 10 % it was a fate -more likely 5/7%-. After a few days of violent fights Israel asked Egypt to do all its possible to conclude a cease fire with Palestinians, but Hamas refused. The fights continued. During this period, palestinians managed to reach successfully with their primitive rockets the Knesset -israeli parliament-, and they tried to reach the residence of prime minister.
              If Israeli’s THAAD -that is the same as US- failed to intercept primitive rockets, what would be the results against the ultra modern north korean rockets ?
              Conclusion : It was a total faillure of Iron Dome, and Trophy. Hence the THAAD will be ineffective too.

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        • Foxhound says:

          Good Article.
          My posts are not articles, just mere precisions. The only one that do articles here is Chan.

          Regards.

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          • Steve says:

            An Article is just a write-up included with others as in this CKY posting or with any of our discussions, analysis in response to replies. It’s used very broadly – for instance your precise article or precision article. It’s okay to use a description as in ‘good article, precise article, great article, excellent article, wonderful article, articles, etc ,etc.’

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        • Foxhound says:

          It took several weeks for western press to evoke the incident. The time to elaborate a scenario, a history, a romance. But this time 3 week. Obviously under the prism of western view understating as long as it is possible the impact of the event.
          http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russian-drone-entered-israeli-territory-idf-could-not-shoot-down-uav-1574745
          If the drone belongs to Russia would be less shamefully than it belongs to Hizbollah, then Iran, hence chinese, and north korea’s technology. Laughable! Especially talking about 2 patriots, one air-air missile, and the 4 km.
          They used to lie, they used to hype.

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