US Simply Cannot Afford a War with China, Not Even Trade War


Reuters says in its report “China says will protect South China Sea sovereignty” today that Chinese media responded to US secretary of state candidate Tillerson’s statement that the US will block China’s access to its artificial islands by telling the US that China will fight to maintain the access.

Reuters quotes Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying as saying at her regular news briefing on Tuesday, “Our actions in the South China Sea are reasonable and fair. No matter what changes happen in other countries, what they say or what they want to do, China’s resolve to protect its sovereignty and maritime rights in the South China Sea will not change.”

There is no doubt whatsoever that if US navy blocks China’s access to the islands, there will be a war because if Chinese Communist Party (CCP) dare not fight, it will be very unpopular and lost its legitimacy in ruling China.

When China was very weak, the KMT who ruled China then did not resist Japanese invasion when Japan invaded China’s Northeast as it knew well there was no hope to win, but Chinese people did not think so. College students lied on railway tracks to urge the government to fight. The KMT became very unpopular and therefore lost to CCP in the Civil War. CCP has learnt well from that historical lesson. It knows it is worthwhile to fight even a losing war to protect China’s sovereignty as it will remain popular. However, if it dare not fight, it will be discarded by Chinese people.

The US, however, has not learnt the lessons from its failures in its wars in Korea and Vietnam. It lost the wars because it had no popular support.

China was able to defeat the US in Korea when it was very weak and poor while the US was very much stronger and richer.

Now China is much stronger and richer while the US is much weaker and less rich than it was in the Korean War. There is great hope for China to win the war.

Moreover, being heavily in debt, the US cannot afford a war with such a strong enemy. It had to retreat from Iraq, a country much smaller and weaker than China as its war there has cost too much and caused it to be heavily in debt.

As for trade war, the US cannot afford the lost of vast Chinese market while China has build and been building infrastructures in poor Asian countries to facilitate moving its industries to poor Asian countries to avoid being hit by America’s only trade war ammunition – heavy import tariff.

Unless US leaders are entirely insane there will be neither trade nor real war between the US and China as the US simply cannot afford any of such wars.

Comment by Chan Kai Yee on Reuters’ report, full text of which is reblogged below:

China says will protect South China Sea sovereignty

By Ben Blanchard and David Brunnstrom | BEIJING/WASHINGTON Tue Jan 24, 2017 | 10:21am EST

China said on Tuesday it had “irrefutable” sovereignty over disputed islands in the South China Sea after the White House vowed to defend “international territories” in the strategic waterway.

White House spokesman Sean Spicer in his comments on Monday signaled a sharp departure from years of cautious U.S. handling of China’s assertive pursuit of territorial claims in Asia.

“The U.S. is going to make sure that we protect our interests there,” Spicer said when asked if Trump agreed with comments by his secretary of state nominee, Rex Tillerson. On Jan. 11, Tillerson said China should not be allowed access to islands it has built in the contested South China Sea.

“It’s a question of if those islands are in fact in international waters and not part of China proper, then yeah, we’re going to make sure that we defend international territories from being taken over by one country,” Spicer said.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a regular news briefing on Tuesday “the United States is not a party to the South China Sea dispute”.

China claims most of the South China Sea, while Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Brunei claims parts of the sea that commands strategic sealanes and has rich fishing grounds along with oil and gas deposits.

China’s sovereignty over the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea was “irrefutable” Hua said. But China was also dedicated to protecting freedom of navigation and wants talks with nations directly involved to find a peaceful solution.

“We urge the United States to respect the facts, speak and act cautiously to avoid harming the peace and stability of the South China Sea,” Hua said.

“Our actions in the South China Sea are reasonable and fair. No matter what changes happen in other countries, what they say or what they want to do, China’s resolve to protect its sovereignty and maritime rights in the South China Sea will not change,” she added.

BAR ACCESS TO ISLANDS

Tillerson’s remarks at his Senate confirmation hearing prompted Chinese state media to say at the time that the United States would need to “wage war” to bar China’s access to the islands, where it has built military-length air strips and installed weapons systems.

Tillerson was asked at the hearing whether he supported a more aggressive posture toward China and said: “We’re going to have to send China a clear signal that, first, the island-building stops and, second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed.”

The former Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM.N) chairman and chief executive did not elaborate on what might be done to deny China access to the islands.

But analysts said his comments, like those of Spicer, suggested the possibility of U.S. military action, or even a naval blockade. Such action would risk an armed confrontation with China, an increasingly formidable nuclear-armed military power. It is also the world’s second-largest economy and the target of Trump accusations it is stealing American jobs.

Spicer declined to elaborate when asked how the United States could enforce such a move against China, except to say: “I think, as we develop further, we’ll have more information on it.”

Tillerson narrowly won approval from a Senate committee on Monday and is expected to win confirmation from the full Senate.

RISK OF DANGEROUS ESCALATION

Military experts said that while the U.S. Navy has extensive capabilities in Asia to stage blockading operations with ships, submarines and planes, any such move against China’s growing naval fleets would risk a dangerous escalation.

Aides have said that Trump plans a major naval build-up in East Asia to counter China’s rise.

China’s foreign ministry said earlier this month it could not guess what Tillerson meant by his remarks, which came after Trump questioned Washington’s longstanding and highly sensitive “one-China” policy over Taiwan.

Washington-based South China Sea expert Mira Rapp-Hooper at the Center for a New American Security called the threats to bar China’s access in the South China Sea “incredible” and said it had no basis in international law.

“A blockade – which is what would be required to actually bar access – is an act of war,” she added.

“The Trump administration has begun to draw red lines in Asia that they will almost certainly not be able to uphold, but they may nonetheless be very destabilizing to the relationship with China, invite crises, and convince the rest of the world that the United States is an unreliable partner.”

Bonnie Glaser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank called Spicer’s remarks “worrisome” and said the new administration was “sending confusing and conflicting messages.”

Dean Cheng, a China expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Spicer’s remarks showed the South China Sea was an important issue for the Trump administration.

He said it was significant that neither Spicer nor Tillerson had been specific as to what actions would be taken and this left open the possibility that economic measures – instead of military steps – could be used against China and firms that carry out island building.

(Clarifies paragraph 4 attribution)

(Additional reporting by Matt Spetalnick in Washington, and Christian Shepherd in Beijing; Editing by Andrew Hay and Bill Tarrant)

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11 Comments on “US Simply Cannot Afford a War with China, Not Even Trade War”

  1. Foxhound says:

    To do a war, U need man, and U must rely on man in the combat’s situations. In our “Modern” feminist western societies, western armies relies mostly on hardware. It is enough to make shows on CNN, Fox, with beautiful pinups, but useless in combat’s situations. Since the last decades these strategies lead nowhere everywhere in the world. US could not afford to overcome against a little army of insurgents in Falludjah -2004-. They need nearly one year, with the help of saudi criminals clericals to overcome few thousands of insurgents, if not few hundreds.
    And now you are talking about war against China, and Russia’s armies. Are U serious ?

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  2. Steve says:

    Seriously, the USA is Stuffed and the new President is a Trump Dumb Dump. He may be shrewd in business, but insofar a loud mouth gasbag in the political arena. His henchmen Bolton, Tillerson, Navarro are DickHDs shooting from their backsides trying to scare China with unqualified brinkmanship. This Trump administration will be one of the worst, if not the worst since George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Albright illegally invaded Iraq, causing untold sufferings.

    In a conventional war with China, the US military will be slaughtered within the A2AD. The US has no hope of instigating a trade war. Its not so easy as bringing back US manufacturing enterprises and creating tax incentives. US cost of living and wages will rise. American minimum wage cannot meet the cost of living in cities like New York and even in Tennessee. With the withdrawal of TPP, there is no guarantee that US companies will not leave American shores. Other countries can also provide tax incentives, lower cost of living and wages in competition to US.

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  3. Fre Okin says:

    China don’t need to overreact if USN dare to block Chinese navy from accessing her artificial islands.

    Chinese destroyers and Little Blue Men will simply escort US ships, maybe even have a few special purpose container ships to ram into US ships. This will be like the Cowpens Incident 2.0

    China should remind the world WWII was started when US blockade oil shipment to Japan and US bear responsibility for WWIII if she dare to blockade Chinese access to her artificial islands.

    Countries in ASEAN will condemn US for her aggression. Philippines, Malaysia and even Singapore may finally voice displeasure at US behavior. Politically speaking, US will lose after her attempt to blockade. This will be a one time event and China should simply show some muscles and let countries around the world, in particular those in ASEAN tell US to get lost since they see US as harming their economy if war break out, they are more likely to show displeasure at US than blaming China.

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  4. Simon says:

    A quote from Sean Spicer sound to me he was deliberately throwing in ambiguity as a get out clause if America fail to stop China access to its territories in SCS
    he said
    “It’s a question of if those islands are in fact in international waters and not part of China proper”

    he is questioning if it is international waters, also is it part of China? In another word he does not know and being in that position does not offer any mandate for something as serious as military confrontation. To be preparing for conflict even with a small country with limited abilities you need to build up a case and run it through with Congress for approval and then take the case up with the UN. We seen this with Iraq and Afganistan. What we have know is empty rhetoric and not official policy.
    The SCS is not considered international waters since all claimants interprete what they consider as their territories likewise each claimants consider the islands they hold as their soverign territories. America has no claims in the SCS therefore cannot define what is international waters or who owns what. The “get out clause” the Trump regime when they failed to enforce would be something along the lines of these reclaimed islands are historically under Chinese administration on international waters and we deny China from taking other islands.

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  5. maimonides13 says:

    of course, the amerikkkanos have been sucking up their reactionary loco weed and may do something stoooopid… and get their ass handed to them.

    shit… the usna can’t even stomp out a bunch of poorly equipped insurgents in iraq, afghanistan, yemen and other places. obama backed off messing with iran cause he understood two things: the western europeans wanted iranian oil & the us was unlikely to win a serious war with iran short of using nuclear weapons which w’d not be a win but a disaster & a major war crime… gxcxxx

    On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Tiananmen’s Tremendous Achievements wrote:

    > chankaiyee2 posted: “Reuters says in its report “China says will protect > South China Sea sovereignty” today that Chinese media responded to US > secretary of state candidate Tillerson’s statement that the US will block > China’s access to its artificial islands by telling the US ” >

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    • Steven says:

      China is high off the fumes of this refurbished Russian aircraft carrier they lied to the world about when they said that it would be turned into a casino. Now they want the world to believe they can challenge the navies of the world on blue water ops.
      Shouldn’t China master carrier operations fully before they attempt to challenge the American navy on the high seas? This includes night carrier operations. Night ops is something China seems confused about.

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      • Simon says:

        China does not rely on its carrier to deal with American navy. Its use its carrier to deal with neighbouring countries who might want to cause trouble.

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